Dave Winer: A Weiner? A Winner? You Decide.
Dave Winer, who I read often and agree with a good chunk of the time, is acting pretty shady with his latest post, "Hmm, not so sure about that."
In order to write a post about the ill-conceived notion of people "defining" what the blogosphere is "all about" (I happen to agree with him, it’s all in the eye of the beholder), he quotes a provocative one-liner from Tara at HorsePigCow saying:
"The blogosphere is all about subverting those power structures."
Dave then goes on to frame his position in any debate regarding the topic of blogging:
"It’s weird when someone who’s been blogging for months says what the blogosphere is all about and it doesn’t match up with what I, who have been blogging for years, thinks.
It’s one of those things where she can think what she wants and I can think what I want and the world goes on.
But anyone who thinks they know what the blogosphere is about is as right as someone who thinks they know the meaning of life, and potentially as dangerous (in a not-nice way) because maybe they’ll try to force you to see it their way."
Well, that’s a surgically chosen bait quote there, Dave. How about grabbing a quote which included a bit more context to her entire post, something akin to:
"For me, though, it comes down to power. I’m all for empowering the individual. (dot)Ben, being merely a conference participant, was able to voice his own dissension to the subject matter, but was called out by the speaker, who, had the power in that room. The blogosphere is all about subverting those power structures. The ‘me’conomy is rising, folks."
I read her post and followed her good links to find out that, apparently, tension at Les Blogs conference erupted as a speaker (Mena Trott) was criticized (with a "bullshit") by a member of the audience (Ben Metcalfe) via the (publicly displayed) conference backchannel discussion. Subsequently, Mena decided to ask the mystery handler to stand up and back his/her comments and the hilarity ensued.
Tara’s post was primarily gleaned analysis via Technorati’s "Top Searches This Hour" feature, commenting that it was a signifier of the blogosphere’s affinity to the little guy (Ben, the audience member) not the empowered (Mena, the speaker).
After doing my own hyperlink chasing through Tara and Ben’s posts, I stumbled across the fact that Dave was apparently present for watched the event on vidcast afterwards and left his comments on Ben’s squash-attempting post about "the incident." So if Dave was at the event, and participated by having discourse with Ben on his post about the incident, why the fuck didn’t he attribute a more contextual quote to Tara?
Instead, following the out-of-context quote he framed within his own rhetoric, he pushes his own false-positive agenda to the forefront (emphasis mine):
"I did an interview earlier this week, talking about the relationship between blogging and professional journalism, and I reiterated my old line, that I don’t want to do away with the pros, I grew up reading them, and I think they serve a purpose. But they have to lose the arrogance and get creative if they want to have a chance in the new century.
Now I imagine from Tara’s point of view I look like as much of an obstacle to her getting what she wants as the pros may have looked to a blogger who started when I did. I heard this in North Carolina at a session where I was used as an example of what blogging was rising against, the middle-aged white male. I was horrified, because I gave up a lot, personally, so that these people would have a chance to blog. Now I’m being projected on, it’s the Chinese Cultural Revolution all over again. Grandfather is a bourgeois counter-revolutionary, even if he marched with Chairman Mao."
So is this an example of less arrogance and more creativity? Ugh.
The net effect on the majority of Dave’s readers with less time on their hands than me, is that they are now led to believe that Tara is a whiner, craving more reach, incessantly striving to get on the A-list, all based on her out-of-context quote. My conscience is forcing me to drop this post because "old school Dave" doesn’t believe in the value of comments on his own blo (blogs without comments are only partial-blogs), but did you notice that Dave will flame somebody within their own blog post comments?
And he’s the old guard netizen?
Dave finishes off his post (after waxing poetic on issues ranging from being a Boomer to Apple execs in Africa to a smart Carl Sagon reference) with this gem:
"When people get the idea that they’re on some righteous path that’s exclusive of others, that’s when I start shaking my head. It doesn’t matter who they are, who they work for, or how much (or little) money they have. Get a clue, we’re all bozos on this bus, and none of us gets out of this alive."
How very true, but how very pathetic to so blatantly step on someone to get a seat on said bus.
Tags: accountability, Apple, Ben Metcalf, blogging, Dave Winer, journalism, Les Blogs, power, Tara Hunt.Search
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You missed the point.
I got the point of Dave’s post minus his mis-use of the quote. What do you think I missed?
I don’t think Dave’s version of the Greensboro session would be shared by the other people in the room. He came in late, heard a soundbite and read a slide during a conversation that was already underway, and reacted. It ended up being a good session (maybe my favorite of the weekend), but it was not quite the scenario described above.
I missed ConvegeSouth (if that’s what you’re referring to, Ed), but your description of a sound-bite reactionary seems like a pattern.
Maybe when you post one-liners, you begin to think in terms of one-liners? Eh..
To add a bit of perspective. Mena Trott is the president and co-founder of Six Apart that co-sponsored the Les Blogs conference. It looks like Mena confused IRC which is informal chat often like gossiping with friends with blogging in her reaction. She didn’t seem to understand that if an IRC chat is to be displayed on stage it needs to be heavily moderated.
Mena should have called on the moderator, not dotben (Ben Metcalfe). dotBen and others were just doing what’s natural on IRC — a different medium than blogging.
enric, i agree with that perspective. the idea that irc was presented live and *not* moderated says something about the organization of the conference. i mean, isn’t that akin to displaying the notes passed between middle-schoolers in a social studies class?
Yup, like passing the notes (without looking at them) onto an overhead projector while the teacher talks ;)