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10 Responses to “yeah, a woman can’t regulate herself…”  

1. 1 chip atkinson May 27th, 2006 at 10:47 am

   Are you suggesting a mother can do whatever she pleases with her kids? What if she abuses drugs, engages in unsafe sex while pregnant, smokes, drinks? What if she desides to kill a new born?

2. 2 Sean Coon May 27th, 2006 at 10:49 am

   great retort. you should become a lawyer. seriously.

3. 3 Sue May 27th, 2006 at 2:13 pm

   Chip “understands” what he already knows and has no room in his mind to take in new information or see things from another POV. Where Joe writes about “regulating abortion” reverting to the states, he ignores that preventing women from having abortions is what he really wants so he rah rahs for legislation to give him that. Note that he’s a “him” and I rarely see involved active women with that set of opinions.

   Murphy Brown, a fictional character who did not have an abortion, said something like when she woke up that morning, she remembered it still was America where we had individiual rights and one of those was the right to choose and she’d choose whatever she gave careful and serious thought to.

   Then they hanged her for having the baby; for being a “role model” for single-parent families.

   Get that: she didn’t have an abortion and they smeared her anyway.

   Yes, I know, fiction. So, you think reality is any different today?

4. 4 Sean Coon May 27th, 2006 at 2:21 pm

   great retort sue, you should marry a lawyer. seriously. hey, wait!… ;)

   but, seriously, thanks for the XX perspective. i couldn’t imagine a woman that i didn’t know telling me what i could and couldn’t do with my body… and i don’t even have the complicated plumbing!

5. 5 Cara Michele May 27th, 2006 at 9:11 pm

   abortion is murder. child murder. by its mother. matricide. the “pro-choice” movement is based on lies, deception and evil. put that on a t-shirt, planned parenthood.

   it is intolerable and nonsensical that any civilized society could condone the assisted killing of babies by their own mothers. the emperor is naked. america will not escape the consequences of our actions for abdicating our responsibility to our smallest and most vulnerable citizens. do not confuse silence for complicity.

   God is grieved.

   how’s that for an XX perspective?

6. 6 Sean Coon May 27th, 2006 at 9:20 pm

   a good one.

   am i missing something?

7. 7 Cara Michele May 27th, 2006 at 9:38 pm

   what do you mean?

8. 8 Sean Coon May 27th, 2006 at 10:12 pm

   you’re a woman. you gave your opinion on abortion. i deduct from your response that you wouldn’t have one. i respect your opinion.

   simple.

9. 9 Sue May 28th, 2006 at 10:10 pm

   CM, all women don’t think alike, of course, on issues like abortion. I am fairly astounded at how we (women) allow men to speak for us. They call for more (male) justices on the SCOTUS to ban abortion nationwide and when they don’t have that, they want it sent back to the states, but states like South Dakota are itching for a SCOTUS fight — chicken/egg.

   This simply isn’t a matter for men to decide for women. It’s not for women to decide for other women. It’s a deeply personal choice that when made after due reflection, MUST remain in the purview of the individual. It cannot be legislated and in America, it must be a right.

   I urge you to teach your children never to have abortions OR NEED THEM as I teach mine. No one is pro-abortion. People are pro-choice so that women can be safe, healthy, and NOT DIE due to a pregnancy they didn’t want or was forced upon them.

   Finally, I do not see the same anti-choice organizations raising money to help children who weren’t wanted or couldn’t be afforded after they are born. I *do* hear complaints about Medicaid and WIC programs. I hear arguments about entitlements (like, “kids are entitled to a safe home and decent food and their parents should have parenting skills”) but do not see pregnancy centers and subsidized housing for women who have children (most with absent fathers).

   When I see as big a push toward taking care of mothers and children after they are born, I’ll believe “pro-life” means just that and isn’t mostly a political argument to appeal to some sort of “value” voter with a tricky sound byte and hot-button issue.

   You know I respect you and what you believe and I know you believe abortion is wrong. I happen to believe there are “wronger” things that mitigate your position. I always believe that women deserve full and complete health care that is between a woman and her doctor, and not the courts.

10. 10 Chewie May 28th, 2006 at 11:34 pm

    Very well said, Sue.

    Every pro-life person should be required to adopt their proportionate share of those “babies” who would otherwise be aborted. They could raise them and foot the bill from diapers through college and wedding.

    If they meant what they said, that’s what they’d do.

    Cara once posted a cartoon that equated having an abortion with throwing a live infant out of a second story window. That kind of hyperbole doesn’t shed any light on this difficult issue we face as a result of many factors, caused men, women, politics, biology, culture, and religion alike.

    For the record, this woman does not believe they are babies until they are born. Until then, they are part of the mother, and the mother determines their fate.

    There is much “lies, deception, and evil” — including murder — in the name of “life”. The histrionics demonstrated by Cara above are a minor infraction, but they indicate the lack of rational thought the pro-lifers bring to the table on this issue.